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Post#1 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:49 pm

Hy as the usual I had a bad print with my new 1.2 Bc9 at 30xy z 25 I used cherry resin and parameter,before print i re calibrate the vat, as the usual after bad result i check log and analysis THERE ARE DIFFERENCES AMONG DISPLAYED RESULTS, NOBODY SAY ME IF IS NORMALLY OR A BUG???
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Post#2 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:59 pm

THIS IS THE LOG NOTE V1.1.1 XY 100
Software Version: Version 1.7.3 Copyright 2014 B9Creations, LLC www.b9creator.com
Last Comm Port: COM3
Display Index: 1
Last Print Attempt Status: Completed
Configuration: B9Creator v1.1.0, XY at 100 microns
Job Name: //Srvsbs/Documenti/Sergio/FILE STL SLC/anello fiore z25 micx50.b9j
Job Data
Name: anello fiore
Description: anello 30xy a 30z
XY Pixel Size: 30 µm
Slice Thickness: 25 µm
Total Layers: 1231
Material Volume: 1.68 ml

Material Settings
ID: B9R-1-Cherry, Description: Hi-Res, lost wax suitable.
Calc Base: 3.3, Used Base: 3.3
Calc Over: 0.165, Used Over: 0.165
Calc Attach Layers: 2, Used Attach Layers: 2
Calc ABase: 13.2, Used ABase: 13.2
Calc AOver: 0.66, Used AOver: 0.66

Cycle Settings
Unsupported Pixel Multiplier: 0.8
Shutter Open Speed : 70
Shutter Close Speed : 60
Pre Exposure Delay (Settle) : 2.5
Post Exposure Delay (Kick) : 0.2
Post Release Delay (Breathe) : 1.5
Overlift Cutoff (mm) : 0.5
Initial Overlift (mm) : 3
Subsequent Overlift (mm) : 1
Dip (mm) : 0

Job Position
X Offset: 0
Y Offset: 0
Mirrored: false
Show Grid: true

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Post#3 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:01 pm

Which values are different ?
Is the analysis run on the computer you use to print ? If not, the exposre values will be different, because the lamp hours on both computers will be different.

Somebody may have said this before: Please do not use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, it is impolite.
Using all caps means you want to shout at us readers. It might be that you want to. but than do not expect answers to your questions.

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Post#4 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:10 pm

Our posts crossed.
What I can see on first glance is that your Printer is set to Model 1.1 100xy instead of 1.2 30xy.

When you open "printer management", which printer model is shown ?

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Post#5 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:10 pm

Double post

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Post#6 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:15 pm

Yes is impolite sorry! But is the 4th time that i have this problem and nobody tell me if is normal or not what I can do???
Pls note the print analysis tell that is v1.2 a 30xy z25 print when I print the log APPARE V1.1 AT 100 XY have you understand?
Is for this that I wrote with big letters nobody looks at the differences is for this reasons that my prints doesn't have success?
Ciao Sergio

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Post#7 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:35 pm

These are the print analysis look at the differences among log
lysis:
Looks good! No issues detected.
Material Exposure Info:
Selected Material: B9R-1-Cherry
Base Exposure Time, Calculated: 3.305 secs, Used: 3.305 seconds
Over Cure Exposure Time, Calculated: 0.165 secs, Used: 0.165 seconds
Attach Base Exposure Time, Calculated: 13.220 sec, Used: 13.220 seconds
Attach Over Cure Exposure Time, Calculated: 0.660 secs, Used: 0.660 seconds
Attach Layers, Calculated: 2, Used: 2
Job Info:
File: //Srvsbs/Documenti/Sergio/FILE STL SLC/anello fiore z25 micx50.b9j
Name: anello fiore, Description: anello 30xy a 30z
XY Pixel Size: 30 µm, Slice Thickness: 25 µm
Material Volume Solid: 1.68 ml, Liquid: 1.68 ml
Printer Info:
Configuration: B9Creator v1.2.0, XY at 30 microns
Port: COM3, Display: 2 (1920 x 1080)
Total Projector Lamp Hours: 47

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Post#8 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:54 pm

The people in this forum usually go out of their way to help. So when nobody answers, you most likely pissed them off or even more likely they do not know.

The value shown in the analysis are the values, your job file holds. Your jobfile says, use 1.2 at 30/25. You can tell the software whatever you want to use by choosing the settings in layout and slice. And it shows it thinks there should be a 1.2 printer at Com3.
The Log shows what your computer thinks what it used and what resolution it is set to. He should get this value by querying your printer. It shows that it uses the 1.1/100xy, which should be wrong.
I can't tell what really happens if the values mismatch, because the sources are not available.
It might not even make a difference, because the exposure time calculation and slicing are already done and the log shows the same values.
Without a look at the sources, I can't say whether it makes a difference, but I do not think so.

The first thing I would do, is to switch off the foundation.
If this is not enough an you do not have used light supports, I'd change the length value of the bottom part of all supports to .25mm.

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Post#9 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:01 am

Thank Brumbaer this is the problem nobody confirm me if is a soft bug or is my pc issues, but reading the forum the same thing happened to one other new user Robert W. in 3D printing in the post "new printer setting", why who get the new machine (may be better Mikej doesn't check with his pc if happen the same thing?)

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Post#10 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:00 am

You must not have understood the previous threads answer to your question.

For example: "ensure the correct machine has been selected in printer settings(xy resolution and machine version)...that you calibrate to that machine and xy resolution.... that you layout to that xy resolution and machine version.... that you slice at the proper z thickness for your material... that you print settings match all your other settings....

If any of your steps do not match then you will have that issue

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Post#11 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:56 am

Yes i did everything!!!!!!!! but for sure there are always the differences in a print analysis and print log in help menu!!!!
Do you have the old or the new machine? Do you use the new soft version? Really I' not stupid try to check with new soft version and new machine and pls tell me if do you have some differences among help log and print analysis

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Post#12 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:13 am

This is not a log from a 1.2 HD new printer
It is clearly showing V1.1.1xy100
you can't print XY Pixel Size: 30 µm
Slice Thickness: 25 µm
using a 1.1. printer.
this does not make sense did you slice it using the 1.2 HD software and then
try printing it in a 1.1. printer?
totally wrong here and why do you show a config. not connected to your printer??
get with the program and stop using caps.
if your using a 1.2.hd B9 then you should have your projector set up to the 30 position
there is no 100 in 1.2 HD. there is only 30, 50, 75.
slicing is not at
Quote from ROSITAGIOIELLI on October 6, 2014, 03:59
THIS IS THE LOG NOTE V1.1.1 XY 100
Software Version: Version 1.7.3 Copyright 2014 B9Creations, LLC www.b9creator.com
Last Comm Port: COM3
Display Index: 1
Last Print Attempt Status: Completed
Configuration: B9Creator v1.1.0, XY at 100 microns
Job Name: //Srvsbs/Documenti/Sergio/FILE STL SLC/anello fiore z25 micx50.b9j
Job Data
Name: anello fiore
Description: anello 30xy a 30z
XY Pixel Size: 30 µm
Slice Thickness: 25 µm
Total Layers: 1231
Material Volume: 1.68 ml

Material Settings
ID: B9R-1-Cherry, Description: Hi-Res, lost wax suitable.
Calc Base: 3.3, Used Base: 3.3
Calc Over: 0.165, Used Over: 0.165
Calc Attach Layers: 2, Used Attach Layers: 2
Calc ABase: 13.2, Used ABase: 13.2
Calc AOver: 0.66, Used AOver: 0.66

Cycle Settings
Unsupported Pixel Multiplier: 0.8
Shutter Open Speed : 70
Shutter Close Speed : 60
Pre Exposure Delay (Settle) : 2.5
Post Exposure Delay (Kick) : 0.2
Post Release Delay (Breathe) : 1.5
Overlift Cutoff (mm) : 0.5
Initial Overlift (mm) : 3
Subsequent Overlift (mm) : 1
Dip (mm) : 0

Job Position
X Offset: 0
Y Offset: 0
Mirrored: false
Show Grid: true
I'm so far behind I think I'm First !!

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Post#13 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:03 am

Yes this is the problem! why don't you understand me!!
1) I have a new printer 1.2 with 1.7.3 updated software, I calibrated with the grid and with correct projector position at 30 xy.
2) I set 30xy and slice at and 25z default cherry resin parameters, and naturally print with cherry resin.
3) When I print in the print analysis window is wrote everything ok.
4) As the usual the print doesn't came out well.
5) I copy the last print setting in the help menu and past them in order to explain the problem to some lucky and clever user in the forum....... and this parameters looks as the v 1.1 machine at 100xy!!!!!!! Why??
7) Wich is the correct log? that's wrote in the print analysis or that's wrote in the copy last print settings in the help menu???
8) Have you understand me now my dear friend?
May be my English is very bad try to do a little effort to understand my maccaroni English! ah ah!
9) Sorry but at school teach me that after a point (.!?) and with the personal name you have to use the cup! Capito?
9)Thanks Sergio

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Post#14 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:08 pm

Ok
one step at a time. Even though you have done this do it again follow this process and remove the B9 software.
Try this remove the current version of B9 software. Make sure you have no B9 software installed on the computer. If your slicing on one computer then transferring the print ready (B9 job) model to another computer used for the B9 like I do, then make sure you uninstall and install the same B9 software for both computers.
to do this go to your control panel and remove B9 from there. it will get rid of all old software from B9.
you should not have a B9 folder in your go and get a new download the zip or RAR file of the vers 1.7.3
save this file to both computers if your using two of them. If not two then save it to a folder or your desktop
now reload program listed in the all programs in Win. 7

Try it again just print a sample print something that will only take about 1/2 hour or so to be quick.
now click on help and copy last settings and see how it looks.
I'm so far behind I think I'm First !!

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Post#15 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:14 pm

Thanks akgold
I'll try to to do that tomorrow I'll tell you what's happen
Ciao Sergio here are the 2 in the morning

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Post#16 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:34 pm

And be sure to got to the Printer Manager and make sure the config is set to 1.2 at 30 (might even try setting it to 1.1 at 50 then back to 1.2 at 30 to force it to reload the firmware).
Measure Twice, Cut Once.

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Post#17 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:55 pm

Mikej good morning, whats about on reset button in the projector menu? Are these the correct parameters to correct the correct inclination of the projected image ?

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Post#18 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:59 pm

These are the parameter in vivitek menu

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Post#19 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:44 am

do not reset your projector.

Do what AKgold suggest. We're trying to help you and we need for the factors to be constant.

Once you have it re-installed do what Mike suggest.

the only time I had a problem similar to this (i had a clear warning that I calibrated to the incorrect settings in the print window) i was able to back track and see I used layout to the incorrect settings.

When you get to what Mike suggest. Post a link to your layout and slice files and we will look at those.

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Post#20 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:50 am

I am also confused... are you getting successful prints? Does this image shows a print off off your machine?

http://www.b9c.com/forum/files/uploads/2014/10/07wl4-IMG_20141006_211658.jpg

It is confusing because there are multiple threads about this

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